Pravda O Rejime Saddama

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The four women — Maha Hussain, Zainab al-Suwaij, Katrin Michael and Roz Rasool — told ABCNEWS' Barbara Walters stories that could be punishable by death in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Even Iraqis in the United States are terrified to speak frankly about Saddam's regime, largely because they are terrified of reprisals against family members.

The women are speaking out because they feel they are speaking for the voiceless people living under Saddam's regime.

"We know how it looks like inside Iraq," al-Suwaij said on 20/20. "We saw the torture. We saw our relatives and our friends disappearing day after -"

Human rights groups estimate that at least 290,000 Iraqis have disappeared since Saddam took power 34 years ago. Hussain was just a schoolgirl in Baghdad when the reality of life under Saddam hit home. She recalls riding on a school bus at age 13 and seeing a crowd gathered in the center of the capital, around bodies of men hanging from poles. "I remember the blue faces, the long necks," she said.

Saddam's reign of terror extended far beyond public executions. He established a strategy of brutalizing women in order to control their men. Although the stories these women tell are horrific and difficult to substantiate, they are consistent with a pattern of cruelty toward women documented by various human rights groups.

Routine Rapes, Human Meat Grinders, Chemical Baths

Al-Suwaij knows firsthand how even young girls were imprisoned for what seem to be trivial offenses. Al-Suwaij says she had a 16-year-old cousin who was beaten and tortured with electrical shocks for having written something against the government in her school notebook.

And if a man is a dissident or if a man writes a letter or makes a joke about Saddam, these women said, authorities would rape his wife or female relatives in front of him.

"Rape is used as a tool to humiliate the woman, but to also bring men into submission," Hussain said. To compound the humiliation, authorities would videotape the torture and rape and send the tape to family members.

Saddam's contempt for human rights extended to his well-documented use of poison gas against his own people. The horror of one of those chemical attacks still haunts Michael 16 years later.

"Children, women, men … vomiting, screaming, crying with swollen eyes. Everybody was … screaming, 'We are blind. We cannot see,' " Michael said. She said she still has difficulty breathing, because of her exposure to the gas.

Al-Suwaij has seen the inside of an Iraqi prison, and she describes horrific scenes. She said she was shown "human meat grinders" in which people were shredded and disposed of in a septic tank, and chemical baths in which people were literally dissolved.

"You cannot exaggerate about these things. People were slaughtered," she said.

All four women met earlier this month with members of the Bush administration.

They raised the issues they feel need to be addressed in Iraq. They say there needs to be a clear commitment to democracy in Iraq, and that the United States and its allies will need to chaperon the transition.

Protesters Missing the Point

The anti-war demonstrations happening all over the world are disturbing for these women. Rasool believes the protesters are missing the point.

"Knowing what we've been through, knowing what the people in Iraq are going through up to now, and then when we see protesters, that they don't know the reality of the people who are suffering right now," she said. "They don't know about torture, they don't know about rape."

Although these women support U.S. military action, they say they felt betrayed after the 1991 Gulf War when they heeded then-President George H.W. Bush's call to arms. The elder Bush said Iraqis must rise up on their own and force Saddam to step aside. So these women joined with many other Iraqis who risked their lives because they thought that the Americans were going to back them up.

"That was the first time I saw Iraq liberated. I saw the joy and the happiness of the people," al-Suwaij said.

But the uprising was short-lived. The allied army went home, clearing the way for Saddam to regain control. It is estimated that 30,000 Iraqis perished in the ensuing bloodbath.

"After the failed uprising I was hiding for two months until I left Iraq," said al-Suwaij.

These women are saddened that America and its allies backed off and let Saddam continue his brutal reign after the 1991 war. They ask, Where was the United Nations then? Where were all these human rights activists?

Where are they today? the women ask. Just two weeks ago, a Kurdish mother of eight was splashed with gasoline and set ablaze by military police for no reason, she told Kurdish television.

"We're asking the, the whole world, to see our suffering inside Iraq. We ask them to participate in our freedom and liberty," Rasool said. "Iraqi people suffered enough during 35 years, and they deserve freedom."

As U.S. and British troops advance toward Baghdad, these women say their friends and loved ones will welcome the coalition troops with open arms.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/World/...omen030321.html

[Funky]

Понятное дело, что все, что творится в Ираке, тщательно скрывается. Поскорее бы это все закончилось, остается только на это надеяться.

[MsU]

V mire okolo 200 stran. Iz nix tol`ko 20 ili 30 mogut bit`schitat`sya demokratichnimi. V ostal`nix diktatura v raznix formax. Razumeetsya bilo bi xorosho, esli bi vse strani mira bili bi demokratichnimi.

No davayte zadadim sebe vopros, mojet li nishaya bit`demokratichnoy? Kakov doljen bit`mentalitet naroda, chto bi tam proxodili demokraticheskie normi razvitix stran? A takje zadadim sebe vopros - vigodno li USA chto bi v etix stranax bila demokratiya. Est`serèznie issledovaniya, chto odin iz samix vajnix kriterey gotovnosti toy ili inoy strani k demokratii - eto eye ekonomicheskiy uroven razvitiuya. Takje

razvitie v oblasti kul`tur, nauki i sporta. Chem vishe etot pokazatel`tem bolee podgotovlena eta strana k demokratii. Konechno est` malen`kie strani, kotoirie za schet prodaji nefti dostigli visokogo urovnya v ekonomicheskom plane. Eti sluchai mojno schitat`isklyucheniem, tak kak danniy ekonomicheskiy uroven`ne sootvetstvuet razvitiyu proizvodstvennix otnosheniy v etix stranax. Skajem tak - xalyava.

K sojaleniem takje prixoditsya kanstatirovat`fakt, chto Islam takje yavlyaetsya bol`shoy pregradoy dlya vozniknoveniya demokratii. Tochno takje kak i Xristianstvo v srednix vekax.

A teper`k glavnomu voprosu dannoy temi. Est`mnogo naivnix lyudey, kotorie schitayut, chto tsel`USA postroit`demokratiyu v Irake. Predpolojim chto eto tak. Togda iz visheskazannogo sleduet, chto eto dolgiy i tyajeliy process. V pervuyu ochered`dlya etogo USA doljen podnyat`ekonomiku etoy strani.

To est`neskol`ko desyatiletiy USA doljen okazivat`bol`shuyu finansovuyu pomosh`etoy strane.

Vmesto etogo ofitsial`nie litsa v USA govoryat o tom, chto USA za neskol`ko let smojet vozmestit`vse svoi ubitki na provedenie etoy voyni za schet Irakskoy nefti. Generali schitayut, chto pervonochal`noy

ix tsel`yu yavlyaetsya kontrol neftyanix skvajin Iraka. Takje zadadim sebe prostoy vopros. Vigodne li USA chto bi v neftyanix stranax bila demokratiya. Seychas litr Koka koli stoit v 2, 5 raza doroje litra benzina.

V sluchae esli v etix stranax budet demokratiya am4erikantsam budet namnogo slojnee derjat`tseni na neft`takimi nizkimi.

[Laetitia_Casta]

Единственное чего я хочу чтоб это не затронула нас. Чтоб не было использованны Биологические Бомбы начинёные Ураном.

[Che Guevarra]

Биологические Бомбы начинёные Ураном.

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Это, воистину, страшное оружие... Не дай Бог....

[MsU]

Boyus`, chto v budushem eto mojet negativno povliyat`na Azerbaidjan. Tsel USA destabilizirovat`situatsiyu v regione i vzyat`kontrol nad nef`ty. Kogda to oni podderjivali

Irak v voyne protiv Irana. Posle kontrolya Iraka po sredstvom svoix marionetok budut provokatsii kak po otnoshenii k Iranu, tak i po otnosheniyu Turtsii.

[Stracker]

От кого мы это слышим неужели это тот Лаки-пацифист ?

Войны есть справедливые и несправедливые. Это несправедливая война! Каким бы плохим Саддам не был никто не давал Штатам права ради нефтяных интересов и спасения своей экономики устраивать жестокое побоище.

Вот глянь на последствия бомбардировок Басры.

Жаль что не Буша дети погибают в Ираке.

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Ya dumayu ti doljen ubrat eto foto. Ne nado ustraivat sorevnovanie na temu kto razmestit bolee strashnoe foto. Uverayu tebya,zhertvi ximicheskix atak Saddama toje viglyadeli ujasno. Davay bez lishnix emociy.

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Kak bi mnogie togo ne xoteli-iz sovremennoy z.dnoy civilizacii, i iz USA v chastnosti, ne udastsya sdelat impotentov ,kotorix mojet traxat' luboy usatiy podonok. Poka Saddam zhiv-budet litsya krov.

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[Stracker]

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Не я фото убирать не буду это для того чтобы ты тоже знал что ты защищаешь.

А по поводу фотографий жертв химических атак я не сомневаюсь что они выглядят ужасно только вот Штатам это не мешало сотрудничать с Саддамом.

Штаты плевать хотели на демократию в Ираке им нужна нефть.

[Che Guevarra]

Kak bi mnogie togo ne xoteli-iz sovremennoy z.dnoy civilizacii, i iz USA v chastnosti, ne udastsya sdelat impotentov ,kotorix mojet traxat' luboy usatiy podonok

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Интересное определение импотенции. Значить, бийца детей - это человек, у которого все в порядке с половой жизнью...

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to Stracker:

Daje esli i neft'. No eto konechno je ne edinstvennaya cel' etoy voini. Ti je mojesh ostavatsya pri svoem mnenii i naslajdatsya etoy fotkoy.

[Lucky- version 1.2]

Voina, Che. Ti znaesh chto takoe voina,a chto takoe ubiystvo.

[Stracker]

Lucky- version 1.2

Штаты привыкли к жирной жизни и хотят чтобы за это платили остальные. Не выйдет!

А подобными фотками пускай наслаждаются те которые выступают за эту войну.

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Viydet ,Stracker,vse viydet...

[MsU]

Ximicheskaya ataka v Halepche proizoshlo v 1988 godu. Tak kak eto operatsiya bila v interesax USA ( protiv

Irana, v tom regione shli boi s Iranom i kurdi s nimi sotrudnichali ) nikto nichego ne skazal. Tol`ko v 1991 godu eto sobitiya vizvala reaktsiyu u Evropi i USA. Do etogo oni podderjivali Saddama i davali emu eto orujie.

Zdes`nikto ne zashishaet Saddama. Ves`mir osudil etu aktsiyu. Takje bilo prinyato reshenie o izyatiya u Iraka orujiya massovogo porajeniya. Inspektora OON zayavili, chto vlasti Iraka sotrudnichayut s nimi. No ne smotrya na eto nachalàs`voyna. S drugoy storoni USA ispol`zoval orujie massovogo porajeniya v raznix ugolkax mira. Vètnam tomu poddverjdenie. K tomu je n.lm schitaetsya orujiem massovogo porajeniya, no nesmotrya na eto USA ispol`zuet eto orujie v Irake. Takje amerikantsi ispol`zuet terrorischeskie sposobi vedeniya voyni. Yavnoe tomu poddverjdenie bombordirovka kvartiri docheri Saddama. Nujno ob`ektivno smotret`na veshi. Amerika sil`na i poetomu vse prestupleniya ostayutsya nenakazannimi. Ya kak chelovek schitayu svoim dolgom govorit`pravdu. A pravda prosto. Raznitsa mejdu Bushem i Saddamom tol`ko v odnom. Bush namnogo sil`nee Saddama.

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To Stracker:

Штаты плевать хотели на демократию в Ираке им нужна нефть.

A skaji ka mne mudrila- vot v Kuveyte amerikanci toje vrode bi xozaynichayut,a chto ot etogo kuveytci ploxo jit stali? Konchay etu fignyu pro neft'. Vse eto boltovnya s russkix saytov ,kotoruyu ya lichno ne schitayu dostoynim dlya sebya daje chitat.

Vpered USA!

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[Stracker]

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A skaji ka mne mudrila- vot v Kuveyte amerikanci toje vrode bi xozaynichayut,a chto ot etogo kuveytci ploxo jit stali? Konchay etu fignyu pro neft'. Vse eto boltovnya s russkix saytov ,kotoruyu ya lichno ne schitayu dostoynim dlya sebya daje chitat.

Глупая постановка вопроса.

Никто не давал Штатам право действовать так в нарушении международного права.

Vpered USA!

DOWN WITH THE US!

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Bedniy poraboshenniy kuveytskiy narod! Vsyu neft' gadi vikachali ! A na dele-kuveytci eto naciya millionerov. I komu kak ne USA oni doljni govorit za eto spasibo? To je budet s Irakom,Stracker...

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Vot ti i spasoval Stracker- pro neft mne bolshe nichego ne raskazhesh? A pro vse ostalnoe i slishat ne xochu ot zashitnika Saddama Husseyna-ne tebe govorit o mejdunarodnix pravax.

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Posle vtoroy voini amerikanci okkupirovali polovinu Evropi. I gde seychas eta Evropa? V rabstve u shtatov??? Poymite zhe vi,emocionalnie moi, svobodnaya naciya delaet svobodnimi vse drugie nacii,a ne poraboshaet ix. VIVA USA!

[Stracker]

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Bedniy poraboshenniy kuveytskiy narod! Vsyu neft' gadi vikachali ! A na dele-kuveytci eto naciya millionerov. I komu kak ne USA oni doljni govorit za eto spasibo? To je budet s Irakom,Stracker...

Народ должен сам решат кто им будет править, а не ковбой в Вашингтоне.

Vot ti i spasoval Stracker- pro neft mne bolshe nichego ne raskazhesh? A pro vse ostalnoe i slishat ne xochu ot zashitnika Saddama Husseyna-ne tebe govorit o mejdunarodnix pravax.

Я не защищаю Саддама я защищаю интересы Азербайджана. Азербайджану невыгодна эта война, а на Штаты и Ирак мне наплевать

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[Lucky- version 1.2]

Azerbaijan podderjal shtati...tak chto davay i ti podderjivay

[Stracker]

Lucky- version 1.2

Поддержал потому что от нашей позиции ничего бы не изменилось, а так нам эта война невгодна. Поэтому я и желаю Штатам благополучно облажатся

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Nu znaesh Stracker-ya vot toje mnogo chego jelayu...

I voobshe somnevayus chto komu nibud v etom mire pobeda shtatov mojet bit nevigodna. Razve chto usatomu i ego svite.